Curse

kosh · Mar 28, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

ROFL!!!
agree, imo only things about 55 is the bots running around and pop window trade with my cuz im a tank (wtf? im tank so i want to buy all your unid fellblade?) lol.beside the bot prob... 55 is just another build as said here b4.
btw my 55 is getting rust cuz i just get bored with it after Uw ,griffons etc..

now this is tearing:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...at+way&pl=true

Numa Pompilius · Mar 28, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

That would be Thirsty River. Two entirely different missions.

Edit: I see you changed it just as I hit the button.

Yeah, I realized I got them mixed up. It's true, it's pretty much impossible to do the bonus and the mission at the same time in Dunes. The mission itself is dead easy with henches, though.

Corinthian · Mar 28, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

I better stock up on the -50 cestas before they get HoD'd. But who are you, DarkGanni, to tell people how they should play the game?

Avarre · Mar 28, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by peewee

On the other hand proffesions such as mesmer cant nearly perform as well in PvE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry. A 55 mesmer can clear more than a 55 monk can in UW, in terms of solo farming. The complainers just lost all credibility with me, anyway. Obviously in all those months of play you never learned basics of pve beyond the trinity of tank-heal-nuke.

A warrior can solo farm aatxe/smites using a full-hp setup. The build (stance riposter) was just BUFFED. Most classes can farm without the 55 build in UW too (I've cleared aatxes with an ineptitude/riposte mesmer). Lets nerf everything! Woohoo!

Corinthian · Mar 28, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Sorry. A 55 mesmer can clear more than a 55 monk can in UW, in terms of solo farming.

I always wish I had a mesmer instead of 55 monk. But the monk is just more useful in full hp PvE, where monk is the most wanted class.

Sekkira · Mar 28, 2006, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by Avarre

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry. A 55 mesmer can clear more than a 55 monk can in UW, in terms of solo farming.

He said PvE, you're talking about Solo farming UW which is a small part of PvE. He's right too. Mesmers really shine in the last parts of the game. Perdition rock onwards. 3 Missions and 1 EA. The rest of the game? Their spot can be just filled with something that does damage and it'll probably be more effective.

Not to say Mesmers are useless in PvE, just saying that for the most part, there's a better class.

Avarre · Mar 28, 2006, 12:09 PM // 12:09

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

He said PvE, you're talking about Solo farming UW which is a small part of PvE. He's right too. Mesmers really shine in the last parts of the game. Perdition rock onwards. 3 Missions and 1 EA. The rest of the game? Their spot can be just filled with something that does damage and it'll probably be more effective.

Not to say Mesmers are useless in PvE, just saying that for the most part, there's a better class.

When we talk about class differentiation in PvP, we discuss the 'real' pvp (level 20 onwards).

Likewise, when we discuss variation of classes, it is only from endgame on. Like FoW, fire islands, UW. Your opinion was formed because unlike monks and warriors, mesmers progress nonlinearly. In case anyone needs it in simpler terms -> Monks level up, heal more. Warriors level up, tank more! Mesmers level up, get completely different effects. So it's only fair to discuss on a level playing field of endgame.

Right now that we've established that... Monks are the most liked class because they keep people (who often lack standard thoughts of kiting, aggro, etc) alive through their mistakes. Mesmers punish enemies for their mistakes. In PvE, player mistakes > monster mistakes, so people prefer monks. However, 1 good monk is enough for the entire fissure, and 1 good mesmer likewise. So your comment reflects your playstyle more than truthful fact.

Regardless, that is all out of point. The fact remains, the -50 cesta isn't a crippling item. Rangers farm FoW, warriors farm _everything_, mesmers, necros and monks can farm just about anything with 55, eles can farm extensively with earth armors or 55. Other classes are not being hampered economically by it's existance, more so it is buffering those classes that are less capable of full-hp farming to a more even standard.

Sekkira · Mar 28, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25

I think you missed my point entirely, not that I understood yours either.

What I was getting at is that for pretty much all PvE, you can fill a mesmer's spot with pretty much any other class and they wouldn't be missed. You seem to be disagreeing with me and then going on to say that they're noticably useful in FoW, which is what I was getting at in the first place.

Once Mesmers hit level 20, they don't suddenly become useful, once they hit Perdition rock, their usefulness is noticable. This is the problem with Mesmers. Don't get me wrong, I like playing one and they are useful from pre searing onwards but before Perdition, where they shine, they're quite a mediocre class. And even at Perdition onwards, they can still be easily replaced without hassle.

Avarre · Mar 28, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Don't get me wrong, I like playing one and they are useful from pre searing onwards but before Perdition, where they shine,

My point was more concerned with collection of skills. It stands to be considered that a level 20 generally has the correct skills to be competent. Your points on replacing have been brought up before, however it's not a fair argument. No other class, currently, has the power to heal and protect other classes like a monk. Few other classes have the ability to tank, and nothing matches a warrior. But a mesmer's capabilities spread wider, reducing the overall effort needed but not directly doing something unique. Mesmers are grease, warriors push. You can do it without... but mesmers make it easier. The perfection and routineness of PvE tactics make this less noticeable.

Regardless, this is still out of point. My starting comment was in mockery of the fact that people think mesmers in PvE are useless. They are not. Thus this ends, return to topic!

Willy Rockwell · Mar 28, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Lot of times I log on with just a little time to spend, or dinner is gonna be served in a few minutes. I don't want to join a group and then leave them. Farming with my 55 is fun and something I can do alone.

shmek · Apr 03, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

I could ask the same question about your avatar aswell. And in about 10months of playtime non-stop you think i wouldnt get 105 ectos, besides i would never pay real money for virtual ones, the reason i have it on necro cause it didnt require obsidian shards, was planning about buying fissure pants for my monk also but since they require shards now, i'll just stick with the 15k ones.

pffftttttt....... TIME = MONEY

Your logic befuddles me. You paid real money for your game to play and every time you play you LOSE lots of so called "real" money you could be out making doing some task in life for hire. Time is money and thus very interchangable with buying someone's time with your money and vise versa might not be such a big deal.

Personally, I like to see people with "ants in their pants" paying real money for internet items, cause if I spend my time wisely I can turn it into real money if I ever wanted. However, such people ruin the game for themselves in my opinion. I mean really... not a very gratifying experience to just go and buy up all the stuff you wish you had I don't think.

I would expect you are inwardly jealous that some monk might be spending less money (...errr I mean time) to hunt things that you spent more time on. At least that is your inner fear. You feel slighted at the thought of others getting something easier then you have, and seek to remove this option from others to make yourself feel better.

You will likely reply with something to the effect of, "I'm not jealous" not...blah..blah.... If so, it will be mere cover up for your ego trying to hide out from the sense of struggle you see people not having to go through like you have.

If the -50hp item was removed, you would likely find something else to cry about if you don't already do so. Such is the life of rule makers in every game. "After me, paradise is closed."

JiggyFly · Apr 03, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Yeah I hate the -50hp too, sometimes I get too many mobs on me and can't out heal the damage. Then I die switch to normal weapons and own the monsters because you can tank easier with 33 health.

and technically....

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He said PvE, you're talking about Solo farming UW which is a small part of PvE. He's right too. Mesmers really shine in the last parts of the game. Perdition rock onwards. 3 Missions and 1 EA. The rest of the game? Their spot can be just filled with something that does damage and it'll probably be more effective.

Not to say Mesmers are useless in PvE, just saying that for the most part, there's a better class.

you can easily finish anything and everything in PvE (besides the "small-part") with Monks and Warriors. without breaking a sweat. Especially when you consider that some of the best Warrior damage skills and best Monk healing spells can be found in pre-searing. In my opinion it's not just Mesmers but pretty much everything that can easily be replaced besides Monk and Warrior.

SidewaysGts · Apr 03, 2006, 12:21 PM // 12:21

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=originality

Not that this means much these days with many people.

Former Ruling · Apr 03, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

Take 55 monks, that would be the rise of the Cyclone/Vicarous Whammo.

Wessels · Apr 03, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

'the whole OP's argument is invalid . Why? Because it starts from the assumption 55 HP-monks are the only solo farmers out there . There's tons of other builds around which don't even require the -50 HP cesta . If you take the offhand away that will simply mean folks will start to use those builds instead.

I have no problem at all with the item or with 55 - monks or any other farming build . If you want to do quests in UW /FoW simply go to temple of ages and ask around . Usually folks going to FoW actually do those quests ( if they take team ) and combine it with farming chests .

I'm pretty sure you can find groups for UW -quests as well . If not : you can always ask folks in your guild or use one of the many player-matchup forums out there .

Getting a bit annoyed about these kind of threads popping up every other week.Especially considering removing an item wouldn't even solve anything but would make people look for other solo-builds .

Dash Logan · Apr 03, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I have a 55hp monk and only used it about ten times in the UW, not cause i was bad or anything, i just found it very boring. You can farm anywere solo with any char, so i take it the OP will want to nerf all farming skills and then we can all run around the ring of fire with our starter armour of if you really lucky, collecters armour.

If people want to farm excessive, let them, its there choice to do that and you cant take it away from them, the real problem out there is bots, there the ones who abuse the 55hp monk, You go to Droks Forge ID1 and see the stream of Mo\W going out of there, it can make you dizzy.

Yichi · Apr 03, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

Since I beaten game about 7 times (and surely isnt fun),I do FoW/Uw and help friends, thats how i spend my time everyday,finishing all quests and capping every elite is something i done on every character. i dont seem to harm anyone with my playing style.

So ok youre not harming anyone with YOUR playstyle, then what harm are they exacticalyl doing by playing the way that THEY choose to play? GW is based on being a cooperative online role playing game, but that by no means syas that its against all the rules of the al ldivine creator to solo or 2 man farm.

I dont farm with my monk, but i can solo farm anywhere i want too with my warrior. am i to be punished and yelled at next? get a f'ing clue plz.

Yichi · Apr 03, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

And henchies suck, they are dumb seriously dumb so soloing the entire game with them is impossible. If you say you've done it then I can honestly say your either a hacker or BS. Plain and simple.

I have done every mission in the game with my warrior using only hench. its not hard. Anyone and their brother can hench THk very easily if you know the right situation/build.

GrendelScout1 · Apr 03, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

I just wanted to chime in with a couple of screenshots of me and the hench doing the so-called impossible.

Matsumi · Apr 03, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

nice

never thought it was possible with glint